Dr Rover wrote:
Rover the Top wrote:If no one wants Ince sacked, then why are so many setting down conditions as to when he should be sacked?
Because at the moment, most of us still believe that he can turn it around. However, if we don't start picking up points against teams in and amongst us, then that opinion is going to rapidly change. Most of us know we are not a bottom three club - that we have the players to be in the top half.
Surely, you can't expect people to be praising Ince at a time when he is making decisions that lots of us find very strange. Of course we are going to question his decisions - it's our right as fans, and in most of our case, paying fans. Do you really believe that we would have dropped the points we have if we'd played our players in their proper playing positions. I don't have a crystal ball, but i firmly believe we'd have more points that we do now. That's not to say I don't believe Ince will make better decisions in the future, but he has to learn from his mistakes, take some responsibility and move on. We are approaching some fixtures where are bnow going to be must win games, even this early in the season. We can't get adrift at the bottom.
Although, I myself wouldn't put time limits on how long Ince has to turn it around, I can understand why other people do. Once you are down there fighting for survival, it's really difficult to get yourself out of it.
You don't have to praise someone just to say they don't deserve the sack?
You may not be doing it, but there are people putting time limits on how long they want to give Ince. There's some who think he's had time enough already. There's some fans who've not even been prepared to give him a chance. I can't get my head round that, he's barely had time to make mistakes, never mind learn from them. To me, it seems an over-reaction to even mention sacking him yet. We may be in the bottom 3, but we've not had an untypical start to the season in terms of picking up points. We're not cut adrift, a win would make a big difference. Two wins, and people will start talking about us reaching Europe again. It's obviously a concern that we're so near the bottom, but at the same time it's a surprise that there aren't 3 or 4 clubs still in single figures. Our situation isn't the same as Spurs' was, they've had 4 excellent results since sacking their manager and are still
And I don't think playing players out of position has cost us points. Warnock has looked at home in midfield, until he stopped playing altogether in the second half on Saturday, which would have been as much of a problem if he was at left back. And at the moment, we have to play someone out of position on the right, otherwise we'll have an unbalanced side which probably would cost us points. And I'm surprised at your argument that Mokoena is a centre half, I think everyone knows he's crap there, and that Hughes used him as a midfielder. Ince isn't the first manager to move players around, Hughes did it, Souness did it, Dalglish did it, MacKay did it...
What I do think is a problem is that our strikers are being wasteful in front of goal; our goalkeeper has let in a few goals from fairly central (and therefore reachable) shots; injuries have meant we've not been able to keep a consistent side together, leaving us disorganised; and players are not looking to cover when team-mates get caught out of position - some of that's down to not having a settled side, but it's something Ince should be sorting out.
I'm with Garners, I feel a bit let down that fans are talking about sacking Ince already. The game is not as black and white as people make out, we can't automatically count our next three matches as three defeats, just as we couldn't count the game as Sunderland as a win. Saturday reminded me so much of when we were beaten by Leeds at home in 2004 - with just 6 games left, we'd lost 5 and won 1 of our last 8 games, and were that bad I couldn't see how we could avoid relegation. But we won our next 4 games and beat Man Utd to secure our PL status with two games to go. I'm not anticipating that our second half surrender will become a common occurrence, I was happy with how we played in the first half, and we got a win last Wednesday. I think we're due a surprise win now.