Fulham v Rovers, Tuesday 14th March 2017, 7.45pm

Discuss all things Rovers related except...

Who helped move the Michael Jackson statue?

The Romans
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Arable farmers
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A haven of kestrels
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A whoop of gibbons
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The ghost of Michael Jackson
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Total votes: 10

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Re: Fulham v Rovers, Tuesday 14th March 2017, 7.45pm

Post by Rover the Top » Thu Mar 16, 2017 3:19 pm

Ethiaa wrote:
Thu Mar 16, 2017 3:06 pm
Maybe they should have a goalkeeper on stilts to knock away field goal attempts. With appropriate gloves on :yeahright:

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Indeed why don't they? :yeahright:

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Re: Fulham v Rovers, Tuesday 14th March 2017, 7.45pm

Post by Ethiaa » Thu Mar 16, 2017 3:26 pm

Seems only just and right to me

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Re: Fulham v Rovers, Tuesday 14th March 2017, 7.45pm

Post by Rover the Top » Thu Mar 16, 2017 3:45 pm

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:lol: You've got tunnel vision on this... what happens in football and why has been covered. Theadore then gave an example of sport where the fouled player restarts the game. I gave a counter example of a sport on the other extreme where teams have players who are only used for specific set play situations. If you want to be so anally pedantic, you don't even have a penatly kick in American Football, you don't kick the ball into the net, you don't have a goalkeeper, etc. But that's rather spectacularly missing the point... :D
Riiiiiight.

So why even bringing up a kicker at all? If you're going to start talking about something that has nothing to do with the discussion (unlike theadore, who was still discussing the outcome of an infringment), why not start talking about that they use a bat in cricket, or swim with a swimming cap on? Has as much relevance as your point.
Because the kicker comes on for a set piece! :doh: How are you not understanding this? :lol: Example 1: Foul in basketball results in fouled player restarting. Example 2: a dead-ball set piece situation in American Football allows a team to bring on their own specialist to take it. What happens in football is a mixture between those two examples, a foul is followed by a dead-ball set piece where the team can pick who they want to take it. You seem stuck on issue one, that there's been a foul, and unable to move on to issue two, can teams choose who takes their set pieces. But the same could be applied to throw-ins and corners. There's no good reason why the person who had the ball last on your team should take the subsequent set piece.

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Re: Fulham v Rovers, Tuesday 14th March 2017, 7.45pm

Post by mrblackbat » Thu Mar 16, 2017 4:02 pm

How are you not understanding this? A kicker usually comes on for fourth down or for a single point after touchdown conversion (where the team can choose to go for a two point conversion as well). No set piece at all, other than arguably you could say that every play is a set piece. There is no "dead ball" situation as such, its just normal play. The kicker doesn't even have to kick it....

A penalty in football occurs ONLY after a foul in the penalty area, directly resulting from the foul. There's absolutely no comparison between it and a place kick in American Football and its a terrible analogy for the point you're attempting to make. However, in basketball, a fouled player is give two free throws, the first which is then dead and the second upon which play resumes. It's directly analoguos to football.

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Re: Fulham v Rovers, Tuesday 14th March 2017, 7.45pm

Post by Thorisgodpoo » Thu Mar 16, 2017 5:18 pm

Let me get this straight, are you guys splitting hairs over the difference between an American Football kicker (or punter) and a penalty taker?

You lot are great.

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Re: Fulham v Rovers, Tuesday 14th March 2017, 7.45pm

Post by theadore » Thu Mar 16, 2017 8:24 pm

Thorisgodpoo wrote:
Thu Mar 16, 2017 5:18 pm
Let me get this straight, are you guys splitting hairs over the difference between an American Football kicker (or punter) and a penalty taker?

You lot are great.
That's one word for it.

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Re: Fulham v Rovers, Tuesday 14th March 2017, 7.45pm

Post by Gibbon » Fri Mar 17, 2017 6:40 am

:lol:

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Re: Fulham v Rovers, Tuesday 14th March 2017, 7.45pm

Post by Rover the Top » Fri Mar 17, 2017 8:10 am

mrblackbat wrote:
Thu Mar 16, 2017 4:02 pm
How are you not understanding this? A kicker usually comes on for fourth down or for a single point after touchdown conversion (where the team can choose to go for a two point conversion as well). No set piece at all, other than arguably you could say that every play is a set piece. There is no "dead ball" situation as such, its just normal play. The kicker doesn't even have to kick it....

A penalty in football occurs ONLY after a foul in the penalty area, directly resulting from the foul. There's absolutely no comparison between it and a place kick in American Football and its a terrible analogy for the point you're attempting to make. However, in basketball, a fouled player is give two free throws, the first which is then dead and the second upon which play resumes. It's directly analoguos to football.
Okay, okay... you don't see any similarity between a team choosing someone to take a kick at goal after a stoppage in play in one sport, and a team choosing someone to take a kick at goal after a stoppage in play in another sport...

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Re: Fulham v Rovers, Tuesday 14th March 2017, 7.45pm

Post by Gibbon » Fri Mar 17, 2017 9:41 am

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Okay, okay... you don't see any similarity between a team choosing someone to take a kick at goal after a stoppage in play in one sport, and a team choosing someone to take a kick at goal after a stoppage in play in another sport...
And 10 minutes later...
Blackbat wrote:Okay, okay... you don't see any dissimilarity between...
ad infinitum :hyper:

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Re: Fulham v Rovers, Tuesday 14th March 2017, 7.45pm

Post by Rover the Top » Fri Mar 17, 2017 10:59 am

Gibbon wrote:
Fri Mar 17, 2017 9:41 am
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Fri Mar 17, 2017 8:10 am
Okay, okay... you don't see any similarity between a team choosing someone to take a kick at goal after a stoppage in play in one sport, and a team choosing someone to take a kick at goal after a stoppage in play in another sport...
And 10 minutes later...
Blackbat wrote:Okay, okay... you don't see any dissimilarity between...
ad infinitum :hyper:
No. If he still doesn't get that you can draw comparisons between two different things without a condition arbitrarily decided by him being the same, there's no hope for him. :lol:

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Re: Fulham v Rovers, Tuesday 14th March 2017, 7.45pm

Post by mrblackbat » Fri Mar 17, 2017 12:32 pm

They aren't similar. It's a totally different situation. The place kicker plays in the equivalent of open play in American Football. The analogy used is awful.

As fir "arbitrarily decided", we were talking about penalties, the result of an infringement against a team and the resulting action. Hence why penalties in basketball are brought up. Penalties. Being one result from a foul. With your bizarre logical conclusions we might as well be talking about spin bowlers in cricket....
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Re: Fulham v Rovers, Tuesday 14th March 2017, 7.45pm

Post by Ethiaa » Fri Mar 17, 2017 12:43 pm

Why can't you bring on a different batsman to take the free hit?

On stilts?

With giant pointy finger gloves?

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Re: Fulham v Rovers, Tuesday 14th March 2017, 7.45pm

Post by mrblackbat » Fri Mar 17, 2017 12:45 pm

I don't think I'd want to watch that. :yeahright:

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Re: Fulham v Rovers, Tuesday 14th March 2017, 7.45pm

Post by Ethiaa » Fri Mar 17, 2017 12:49 pm

It'd make a yorker hard to defend certainly.

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Re: Fulham v Rovers, Tuesday 14th March 2017, 7.45pm

Post by Rover the Top » Fri Mar 17, 2017 1:16 pm

Ethiaa wrote:
Fri Mar 17, 2017 12:43 pm
Why can't you bring on a different batsman to take the free hit?

On stilts?

With giant pointy finger gloves?
Because the batsman doesn't have to hit the ball? Or something. Why doesn't the batsman who faced the no ball have to go back on strike if the batsmen crossed? Why do tennis players not have to serve 10 yards back if they hit the ball out? Why is there no ball in F1? It's just insane how many sports there are that have different rules!!!

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