Walsall v Blackburn, Sat, 24 Feb 2018, KO 15:00

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Re: Walsall v Blackburn, Sat, 24 Feb 2018, KO 15:00

Post by mrblackbat » Sun Feb 25, 2018 7:45 pm

thehatts wrote:
Sun Feb 25, 2018 7:37 pm
mrblackbat wrote:
Sun Feb 25, 2018 7:09 pm
No we haven't finished lower each season, we were improving under Bowyer. Of course then we sacked him and replaced him with someone determined to dismantle that progress.....

Happy in League 1? Ambitious, then....
We finished championship in the order below. We did get worse each season.

8th
9th
15th
22nd

My ambition is to get back to championship with a better squad than the one we went down with. Add some players and try to sneak a playoff place. Something we never managed to do with a multi million pound squad.

I’m still happy being top and can see progress with the squad. Even you can bring me down :hyper:
Er no, we finished 17th, 8th, 9th, 15th, 22nd.

Once again, missing out the stats that prove your argument flawed....

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Re: Walsall v Blackburn, Sat, 24 Feb 2018, KO 15:00

Post by thehatts » Sun Feb 25, 2018 7:56 pm

mrblackbat wrote:
Sun Feb 25, 2018 7:45 pm
thehatts wrote:
Sun Feb 25, 2018 7:37 pm
mrblackbat wrote:
Sun Feb 25, 2018 7:09 pm
No we haven't finished lower each season, we were improving under Bowyer. Of course then we sacked him and replaced him with someone determined to dismantle that progress.....

Happy in League 1? Ambitious, then....
We finished championship in the order below. We did get worse each season.

8th
9th
15th
22nd

My ambition is to get back to championship with a better squad than the one we went down with. Add some players and try to sneak a playoff place. Something we never managed to do with a multi million pound squad.

I’m still happy being top and can see progress with the squad. Even you can bring me down :hyper:
Er no, we finished 17th, 8th, 9th, 15th, 22nd.

Once again, missing out the stats that prove your argument flawed....
Flawed we had 4 seasons in a row where we got worse :shrug:

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Re: Walsall v Blackburn, Sat, 24 Feb 2018, KO 15:00

Post by thehatts » Sun Feb 25, 2018 8:06 pm

So to sum up.

We had 4 seasons in a row where we got worse.
Even with Rhodes in the squad.
Rhodes scored 1 league goal in his last 10 league games.
Rhodes wanted to leave. He no longer wanted to play for Rovers.
Sold Rhodes for 8m and replaced with Graham who improved our goals.
Rhodes firing blanks since leaving at multiple clubs under multiple managers.

But Rhodes would have got us back to the prem :doh:

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Re: Walsall v Blackburn, Sat, 24 Feb 2018, KO 15:00

Post by mrblackbat » Sun Feb 25, 2018 8:20 pm

thehatts wrote:
Sun Feb 25, 2018 7:56 pm
mrblackbat wrote:
Sun Feb 25, 2018 7:45 pm
thehatts wrote:
Sun Feb 25, 2018 7:37 pm
mrblackbat wrote:
Sun Feb 25, 2018 7:09 pm
No we haven't finished lower each season, we were improving under Bowyer. Of course then we sacked him and replaced him with someone determined to dismantle that progress.....

Happy in League 1? Ambitious, then....
We finished championship in the order below. We did get worse each season.

8th
9th
15th
22nd

My ambition is to get back to championship with a better squad than the one we went down with. Add some players and try to sneak a playoff place. Something we never managed to do with a multi million pound squad.

I’m still happy being top and can see progress with the squad. Even you can bring me down :hyper:
Er no, we finished 17th, 8th, 9th, 15th, 22nd.

Once again, missing out the stats that prove your argument flawed....
Flawed we had 4 seasons in a row where we got worse :shrug:
But we also got better under Bowyer: 17th... To 8th. With a certain Mr Rhodes scoring a truck load of goals. But of course.... You're glad he's gone.

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Re: Walsall v Blackburn, Sat, 24 Feb 2018, KO 15:00

Post by mrblackbat » Sun Feb 25, 2018 8:21 pm

thehatts wrote:
Sun Feb 25, 2018 8:06 pm
So to sum up.

We had 4 seasons in a row where we got worse.
Even with Rhodes in the squad.
Rhodes scored 1 league goal in his last 10 league games.
Rhodes wanted to leave. He no longer wanted to play for Rovers.
Sold Rhodes for 8m and replaced with Graham who improved our goals.
Rhodes firing blanks since leaving at multiple clubs under multiple managers.

But Rhodes would have got us back to the prem :doh:
And Danny Graham took us down. Excellent trade...

Full seasons with Rhodes in the team finished 15th, 8th and 9th. Full season with the excelleny bit of transfer business: 22nd and relegation. Woots!

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Re: Walsall v Blackburn, Sat, 24 Feb 2018, KO 15:00

Post by thehatts » Sun Feb 25, 2018 8:28 pm

mrblackbat wrote:
Sun Feb 25, 2018 8:20 pm
thehatts wrote:
Sun Feb 25, 2018 7:56 pm
mrblackbat wrote:
Sun Feb 25, 2018 7:45 pm
thehatts wrote:
Sun Feb 25, 2018 7:37 pm
mrblackbat wrote:
Sun Feb 25, 2018 7:09 pm
No we haven't finished lower each season, we were improving under Bowyer. Of course then we sacked him and replaced him with someone determined to dismantle that progress.....

Happy in League 1? Ambitious, then....
We finished championship in the order below. We did get worse each season.

8th
9th
15th
22nd

My ambition is to get back to championship with a better squad than the one we went down with. Add some players and try to sneak a playoff place. Something we never managed to do with a multi million pound squad.

I’m still happy being top and can see progress with the squad. Even you can bring me down :hyper:
Er no, we finished 17th, 8th, 9th, 15th, 22nd.

Once again, missing out the stats that prove your argument flawed....
Flawed we had 4 seasons in a row where we got worse :shrug:
But we also got better under Bowyer: 17th... To 8th. With a certain Mr Rhodes scoring a truck load of goals. But of course.... You're glad he's gone.
But bowyer wasn’t our manager at the end so what’s your point!!!!! In that case we should have got Dalglish back. The manager had changed, the squad had changed. Selling players left, right and centre.

Or do you think we should have held the players captive and not paid them any wages?

You do realise that each season we needed to sell players?

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Re: Walsall v Blackburn, Sat, 24 Feb 2018, KO 15:00

Post by thehatts » Sun Feb 25, 2018 8:32 pm

mrblackbat wrote:
Sun Feb 25, 2018 8:21 pm
thehatts wrote:
Sun Feb 25, 2018 8:06 pm
So to sum up.

We had 4 seasons in a row where we got worse.
Even with Rhodes in the squad.
Rhodes scored 1 league goal in his last 10 league games.
Rhodes wanted to leave. He no longer wanted to play for Rovers.
Sold Rhodes for 8m and replaced with Graham who improved our goals.
Rhodes firing blanks since leaving at multiple clubs under multiple managers.

But Rhodes would have got us back to the prem :doh:
And Danny Graham took us down. Excellent trade...

Full seasons with Rhodes in the team finished 15th, 8th and 9th. Full season with the excelleny bit of transfer business: 22nd and relegation. Woots!
Good wording with full season there. Trying to deflect away from the fact we were in a massively relegation battle with Rhodes shooting blanks.

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Re: Walsall v Blackburn, Sat, 24 Feb 2018, KO 15:00

Post by mrblackbat » Sun Feb 25, 2018 9:28 pm

Rhodes scored ten in 25 games that season, more and at a better ration than Graham.

No Bowyer wasn't managing at the end, which is exactly my point. It was a terrible decision to get rid of him for the clown Lambert, and a terrible decision by him not to play to his best player's strengths.

At the end of the day, we were better with Bowyer and Rhodes, not Lambert/Coyle and now Mowbray (though he's doing a decent enough job) and Graham (who's also doing a decent enough job, just not setting the world alight). We're in a shit position compared: yet you're happy, and glad we got shut of the best striker we'd had for years. Go you.

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Re: Walsall v Blackburn, Sat, 24 Feb 2018, KO 15:00

Post by thehatts » Sun Feb 25, 2018 9:33 pm

mrblackbat wrote:
Sun Feb 25, 2018 9:28 pm
Rhodes scored ten in 25 games that season, more and at a better ration than Graham.

No Bowyer wasn't managing at the end, which is exactly my point. It was a terrible decision to get rid of him for the clown Lambert, and a terrible decision by him not to play to his best player's strengths.
Who is saying that bowyer should have gone?!

Rhodes had 1 goal in his last 10 games. We were 6 points above relegation. We took 8m and replaced with a loan signing. Graham came in and scored goals. We finished 15 points above relegation. The end. The manager was the manager and unless he got sacked it was likely Rhodes would have continued to fire blanks.

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Re: Walsall v Blackburn, Sat, 24 Feb 2018, KO 15:00

Post by thehatts » Sun Feb 25, 2018 9:37 pm

mrblackbat wrote:
Sun Feb 25, 2018 9:28 pm
Rhodes scored ten in 25 games that season, more and at a better ration than Graham.

No Bowyer wasn't managing at the end, which is exactly my point. It was a terrible decision to get rid of him for the clown Lambert, and a terrible decision by him not to play to his best player's strengths.

At the end of the day, we were better with Bowyer and Rhodes, not Lambert/Coyle and now Mowbray (though he's doing a decent enough job) and Graham (who's also doing a decent enough job, just not setting the world alight). We're in a shit position compared: yet you're happy, and glad we got shut of the best striker we'd had for years. Go you.
At the end of the day we were better with Rhodes, Ruddy, cairney, hanley, Duffy but shit happens. We had one or two seasons to get back to prem and we fucked it. Had to sell players and try to survive. We didn’t and now trying to progress. Yet fans like you want to hold us back.

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Re: Walsall v Blackburn, Sat, 24 Feb 2018, KO 15:00

Post by mrblackbat » Sun Feb 25, 2018 9:42 pm

Hilarious that suggesting being unsatisfied with League 1 is "holding us back" compared to being happy with making dealings in the transfer market that weaken the squad and poor managerial decisions that ultimately got us there.... You're a mavel.

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Re: Walsall v Blackburn, Sat, 24 Feb 2018, KO 15:00

Post by mrblackbat » Sun Feb 25, 2018 9:44 pm

thehatts wrote:
Sun Feb 25, 2018 9:33 pm
mrblackbat wrote:
Sun Feb 25, 2018 9:28 pm
Rhodes scored ten in 25 games that season, more and at a better ration than Graham.

No Bowyer wasn't managing at the end, which is exactly my point. It was a terrible decision to get rid of him for the clown Lambert, and a terrible decision by him not to play to his best player's strengths.
Who is saying that bowyer should have gone?!

Rhodes had 1 goal in his last 10 games. We were 6 points above relegation. We took 8m and replaced with a loan signing. Graham came in and scored goals. We finished 15 points above relegation. The end. The manager was the manager and unless he got sacked it was likely Rhodes would have continued to fire blanks.
I seem to recall you were ecstatic with Lamberts appointment at the time.... Though may be getting mixed up with oojw; if so apologies.

Graham really didn't score that many goals though, he ws 5 in 16 til that brace on the last day.

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Re: Walsall v Blackburn, Sat, 24 Feb 2018, KO 15:00

Post by thehatts » Mon Feb 26, 2018 7:34 am

mrblackbat wrote:
Sun Feb 25, 2018 9:42 pm
Hilarious that suggesting being unsatisfied with League 1 is "holding us back" compared to being happy with making dealings in the transfer market that weaken the squad and poor managerial decisions that ultimately got us there.... You're a mavel.
Well you are. You knock Graham, give TM next to no credit. You harp on about the past. Only seem to think. we are in this position because of lambert. Seem to forget the amount of players we NEEDED to sell. We were on a downaward trend for 4 seasons. Ever manager selling our best players each season. Rudy, Hanley, Duffy, carniey, Rhodes because they had to. The players either wanted out and didn’t perform at the end, Duffy, Rhodes or we needed to cash in Rudy, Hanley, carniey.

You must be one of the boo boys. Shame on you.

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Re: Walsall v Blackburn, Sat, 24 Feb 2018, KO 15:00

Post by Ethiaa » Mon Feb 26, 2018 8:01 am

Lambert was an attempt to move forward. It didn't work (cos he was an arse) but that's football. Graham has always looked a good signing for us from day one. But you're entitled to your opinion, no matter how wrong it is ;)

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Re: Walsall v Blackburn, Sat, 24 Feb 2018, KO 15:00

Post by thehatts » Mon Feb 26, 2018 8:04 am

Out of interest why do you have the hump with lambert selling Rhodes but have no issue with Bowyer selling Rudy. A guy in 2014 - 2015 who scored 32 goals in 60 games. Broke up the Rhodes & Rudy partnership that almost got us in the playoffs.

I have no issue with both managers. They did what they had to do. You just seem to have a issue with Lambert and try to pin everything onto him.

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