Blackburn v Southend, Sat 7 Apr 2018, KO 15:00

Discuss all things Rovers related except...

What is your favourite maritime pastime?

Shrimping with Shrimpers
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Crabbing with Crabbers
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14%
Kestrel fishing on the Essex riviera
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14%
Windsurfing with Gibbons
4
57%
Skimming select items of Nordic bakeware
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Counting grains of sand in the presence of Igor Tudor
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14%
Discussing the virtues of sand-based arable farming
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Re: Blackburn v Southend, Sat 7 Apr 2018, KO 15:00

Post by Gibbon » Tue Apr 10, 2018 12:56 pm

So what you're saying here is that the perpetrator's intention is important, yes? And that you're going with innocent until proven guilty? ;)

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Re: Blackburn v Southend, Sat 7 Apr 2018, KO 15:00

Post by Ethiaa » Tue Apr 10, 2018 1:01 pm

If you close your eyes, turn your back, and lead with your elbow, it's pretty obviously dangerous to me. Are you saying it wasn't dangerous? That the keeper was actually faking being poleaxed? It's a position I suppose. :shrug:

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Re: Blackburn v Southend, Sat 7 Apr 2018, KO 15:00

Post by Rover the Top » Tue Apr 10, 2018 1:09 pm

Gibbon wrote:
Tue Apr 10, 2018 12:56 pm
So what you're saying here is that the perpetrator's intention is important, yes? And that you're going with innocent until proven guilty? ;)
Innocent until the courts stop pissing around and exhaust the opportunities to appeal... Since you can't conclusively prove intentions, they're only really a mitigating factor.

I've not got a clue what anyone is actually trying to argue here... :D

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Re: Blackburn v Southend, Sat 7 Apr 2018, KO 15:00

Post by mrblackbat » Tue Apr 10, 2018 1:11 pm

No I'm not saying the keeper is faking. But I am saying that if you want to make sure that nobody gets poleaxed in future then make it a non contact sport. There are tons of ways that players can get hurt in football: it's intinsically a potentially dangerous contact sport so lets send everyone off as soon as they step on the field for their intentions when they contend those 50/50 balls, eh?

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Re: Blackburn v Southend, Sat 7 Apr 2018, KO 15:00

Post by Ethiaa » Tue Apr 10, 2018 1:14 pm

You seem to be suggesting you don't care how they contest those 50/50 balls - might as well let them use baseball bats in that case :D

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Re: Blackburn v Southend, Sat 7 Apr 2018, KO 15:00

Post by mrblackbat » Tue Apr 10, 2018 1:15 pm

Gibbon wrote:
Tue Apr 10, 2018 12:56 pm
So what you're saying here is that the perpetrator's intention is important, yes? And that you're going with innocent until proven guilty? ;)
No, I'm saying that he's not able to suddenly rewrite the laws of physics and stop his inertia completely.

When you watch the challenge in normal real life speed, the amount of time he had to stop is negligible, he looks up and sees he's going to collide, turns his back to protect himself and inertia does the rest (lets face it, he's a chunky lad....) and he clobbers the keeper.

Dangerous? I don't think so, given it's on a football field and the player is for the most part doing his job as a big centre forward.

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Re: Blackburn v Southend, Sat 7 Apr 2018, KO 15:00

Post by mrblackbat » Tue Apr 10, 2018 1:15 pm

Ethiaa wrote:
Tue Apr 10, 2018 1:14 pm
You seem to be suggesting you don't care how they contest those 50/50 balls - might as well let them use baseball bats in that case :D
Ah no, that's against the rules as baseball bats aren't approved equipment.

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Re: Blackburn v Southend, Sat 7 Apr 2018, KO 15:00

Post by Ethiaa » Tue Apr 10, 2018 1:17 pm

mrblackbat wrote:
Tue Apr 10, 2018 1:15 pm
Ethiaa wrote:
Tue Apr 10, 2018 1:14 pm
You seem to be suggesting you don't care how they contest those 50/50 balls - might as well let them use baseball bats in that case :D
Ah no, that's against the rules as baseball bats aren't approved equipment.
So is tackling dangerously regardless of intent, who is in the bathroom etc. So unless you think it wasn't dangerous, it's a red card innit. Speedball though...

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Re: Blackburn v Southend, Sat 7 Apr 2018, KO 15:00

Post by mcteeth » Tue Apr 10, 2018 1:18 pm

I'm really enjoying the revival of the Pistorious debate but every time I watch that video in slow motion or normal speed it just gets worse. His momentum wasn't taking him into Henderson at the speed or ferocity he actually body checks him, you could even debate whether he could have avoided it all together. He has time to look, stares directly at Henderson then take 3 paces towards him and actually generates more momentum then turns his back to smash into him. It looks entirely intentional.

Also didn't Pistorious fire 4 shots, so wouldn't Rhead need to smash into him 4 times repeatedly then claim he didn't know who he was smashing in to?
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Re: Blackburn v Southend, Sat 7 Apr 2018, KO 15:00

Post by Ethiaa » Tue Apr 10, 2018 1:22 pm

Maybe Rhead has some kind of visual impairment or was suffering concussion from the last time he tried to take someone out by throwing himself into them.

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Re: Blackburn v Southend, Sat 7 Apr 2018, KO 15:00

Post by mcteeth » Tue Apr 10, 2018 1:28 pm

You also have to ignore the months of heated and possibly violent arguments Rhead and Henderson have had in the months previous.

I really hope Shrewsbury fans are still coming and reading this forum, they must think we're a right bunch of twats :hyper:

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Re: Blackburn v Southend, Sat 7 Apr 2018, KO 15:00

Post by Ethiaa » Tue Apr 10, 2018 1:48 pm

mcteeth wrote:
Tue Apr 10, 2018 1:28 pm
I really hope Shrewsbury fans are still coming and reading this forum, they must think we're a right bunch of twats :hyper:
I suspect they thought that before this thread.

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Re: Blackburn v Southend, Sat 7 Apr 2018, KO 15:00

Post by mrblackbat » Tue Apr 10, 2018 3:25 pm

Ethiaa wrote:
Tue Apr 10, 2018 1:17 pm
mrblackbat wrote:
Tue Apr 10, 2018 1:15 pm
Ethiaa wrote:
Tue Apr 10, 2018 1:14 pm
You seem to be suggesting you don't care how they contest those 50/50 balls - might as well let them use baseball bats in that case :D
Ah no, that's against the rules as baseball bats aren't approved equipment.
So is tackling dangerously regardless of intent, who is in the bathroom etc. So unless you think it wasn't dangerous, it's a red card innit. Speedball though...
I don't think he was tackling dangerously though. As I've just explained.

If you think that was dangerous then might as well take the contact element out of the game.

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Re: Blackburn v Southend, Sat 7 Apr 2018, KO 15:00

Post by Ethiaa » Tue Apr 10, 2018 3:30 pm

Ahh, we've got somewhere. You don't think it was dangerous. Fair enough. You're wrong obviously but at least we have clarity!

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Re: Blackburn v Southend, Sat 7 Apr 2018, KO 15:00

Post by mrblackbat » Tue Apr 10, 2018 3:38 pm

You were confused that I didn't think it was particularly dangerous? :?

It would only be dangerous if he deliberately led with his arm in order to take the keeper's head off. Which I don't think he did and is why intention is important.

Take a clash of heads on a football field, for instance. It's undeniably dangerous to hit someone's head with your own: it's a headbutt and you get sent off for it. However, when you jump with another player, miss the ball cause he headed it and end up heading the other guy's head (or, another way, unintentionally headbutting the player) then its an accident, but a foul, and we move on. Dangerous play? No, even though the physical outcome is identical to headbutting someone deliberately.
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