England Women

Discuss all International football at senior and youth levels
User avatar
Rover the Top
Experienced manager
Posts: 26571
Joined: Tue Apr 10, 2007 9:39 am
Contact:

England Women

Post by Rover the Top » Fri Dec 06, 2013 12:02 pm

Mark Sampson named as new manager.

Is it disappointing that they haven't found another female manager?

User avatar
Dan
Unemployed ex-pro
Posts: 6469
Joined: Tue Apr 10, 2007 11:08 am
Contact:

Re: England Women

Post by Dan » Fri Dec 06, 2013 12:27 pm

It's disappointing, but a lot of clubs have a man in control of the women's team. I've always thought that was a bit strange personally.

For me, it's similar to having a foreign manager in charge of your national team. It shouldn't really happen. The women's team should be made up of and managed by women, a national team should be made up of and managed by people from that nation.

User avatar
theadore
Inexperienced manager
Posts: 9354
Joined: Tue Apr 10, 2007 1:25 pm

Re: England Women

Post by theadore » Fri Dec 06, 2013 12:54 pm

not really disappointing - but I guess in terms of promoting women in the game this is one of the few high profile roles available. Don't know anything about Sampson but he at least has good experience within the womens game which is the most important thing for the role.

User avatar
Rover the Top
Experienced manager
Posts: 26571
Joined: Tue Apr 10, 2007 9:39 am
Contact:

Re: England Women

Post by Rover the Top » Fri Dec 06, 2013 1:35 pm

Dan wrote:It's disappointing, but a lot of clubs have a man in control of the women's team. I've always thought that was a bit strange personally.

For me, it's similar to having a foreign manager in charge of your national team. It shouldn't really happen. The women's team should be made up of and managed by women, a national team should be made up of and managed by people from that nation.
I don't think it's particularly strange that at this stage in the development of the women's game, the clubs are still having to turn to male coaches. It's similar to the situation with the PFA, the number of qualified male coaches is much greater than the number of female coaches.

However, I agree with you about the national women's team. I think the manager should also be from the demographic that the players represent.

User avatar
Gibbon
Promising manager
Posts: 17073
Joined: Tue Apr 10, 2007 9:54 am
Location: Location: Location
Contact:

Re: England Women

Post by Gibbon » Sat Dec 07, 2013 9:54 am

I don't see why it should matter if the manager is male or female as long as their the best person for the job. Same goes for the men's team. :shrug:

User avatar
Rover the Top
Experienced manager
Posts: 26571
Joined: Tue Apr 10, 2007 9:39 am
Contact:

Re: England Women

Post by Rover the Top » Sat Dec 07, 2013 10:34 am

Because it's the women's team? It matters whether the players are male or female, you can't simply pick the best person for the job. So why is it different for the manager?

User avatar
Gibbon
Promising manager
Posts: 17073
Joined: Tue Apr 10, 2007 9:54 am
Location: Location: Location
Contact:

Re: England Women

Post by Gibbon » Sat Dec 07, 2013 5:50 pm

Er...I was obviously talking about the managerial position which is clearly not governed by the women only rule. Where would you like it to stop? Do they have to have a female bus driver too? Female physio?

There are clear physical reasons why female footballers have a segregated sport - there's no reason why that should apply to managers or any other facet of the game.

User avatar
Rover the Top
Experienced manager
Posts: 26571
Joined: Tue Apr 10, 2007 9:39 am
Contact:

Re: England Women

Post by Rover the Top » Tue Dec 17, 2013 12:02 pm

Which bit of the question "why is it different for the manager?" made you think I didn't realise you were talking about the manager? :lol: I also thought it was pretty clear that I was challenging the logic of the existing rules. A team's manager is active in the sport, their decisions are part of the game, they are involved in the sport just like the players. It's blatantly obvious that the bus driver doesn't have any influence over the results. :roll: So, if it's deemed acceptable to segregate based on nationality or gender, then I think that should apply to everyone participating in the sport. If you don't think the differences that justify separating the sport at playing level apply at managerial level, then why are there no women managing male teams?

User avatar
Gibbon
Promising manager
Posts: 17073
Joined: Tue Apr 10, 2007 9:54 am
Location: Location: Location
Contact:

Re: England Women

Post by Gibbon » Tue Dec 17, 2013 1:52 pm

If I had my way, there would be.

User avatar
Ethiaa
Site Admin
Posts: 13002
Joined: Tue Apr 10, 2007 8:22 am
Location: Preston
Contact:

Re: England Women

Post by Ethiaa » Tue Dec 17, 2013 2:13 pm

Igor?

User avatar
Gibbon
Promising manager
Posts: 17073
Joined: Tue Apr 10, 2007 9:54 am
Location: Location: Location
Contact:

Re: England Women

Post by Gibbon » Tue Dec 17, 2013 3:01 pm

That would be ideal, yes.

User avatar
Rover the Top
Experienced manager
Posts: 26571
Joined: Tue Apr 10, 2007 9:39 am
Contact:

Re: England Women

Post by Rover the Top » Thu Jul 02, 2015 9:08 am

So England's women's team have managed to out-do the men in blowing their World Cup chances. They went behind to a penalty for an idiotic, blatant two-handed push, although it could be argued the foul was just outside the box. They got level with a spot kick of their own after the ref fell for a dive Tom Daley would be proud of from one of the England players. But then threw it all away with an own goal in injury time. :doh: Japan won 2-1 having only had the one shot on target...

User avatar
Ethiaa
Site Admin
Posts: 13002
Joined: Tue Apr 10, 2007 8:22 am
Location: Preston
Contact:

Re: England Women

Post by Ethiaa » Thu Jul 02, 2015 9:09 am

Yeah, but WHAT an own goal.

User avatar
Rover the Top
Experienced manager
Posts: 26571
Joined: Tue Apr 10, 2007 9:39 am
Contact:

Re: England Women

Post by Rover the Top » Thu Jul 02, 2015 9:16 am

Richard Dunne would be proud of it, that's for sure...

User avatar
Dan
Unemployed ex-pro
Posts: 6469
Joined: Tue Apr 10, 2007 11:08 am
Contact:

Re: England Women

Post by Dan » Thu Jul 02, 2015 11:18 am

It's the silly push that's cost them to concede the penalty. In fairness it looks like it probably was outside the box, and she's obviously tried to shove her over before she got into the box and became more of a threat, but it wasn't the best plan. The freak own goal was incredibly unlucky, but they shouldn't have been in the position to lose to that by then. They'll be disappointed to say the least, hopefully they can grab third place on Saturday and at least finish on a high.

Post Reply