Jim wrote: ↑Fri Oct 06, 2017 12:53 am
Not to mention the sheer scales of the lies told by the leave campaign, the infamous NHS £350m per week number which was instantly disproved by the fact checkers.
But not only that, I personally know a lot of people who voted for leave off the back of that promise alone, people who rely on the NHS.
I’m certain if the vote was run again tomorrow the outcome would be completely different.
Both sides "lied", or bent the truth. What else would a rational person expect, the campaigns were run by politicians... The figure of £350m may be contentious, but the point wasn't. A government
could direct more funds towards the NHS once they are free from the obligation of paying into the EU. That's why it was an effective message, because the remain side got bogged down in questioning the figure and in doing so reinforced the sentiment.
And on the opposite side, George Osbourne and co were scaremongering with promises of an imminent economic crash if we voted to leave. Which. Hasn't. Happened. But Remain voters strangely never bring that up when complaining about the "lies" from the referendum. The biggest irony being that anyone who's been paying attention for the past 20 years would have noticed being part of the EU does not provide economic stability.
I'm not going to play predicting fantasy referendums, but from my personal perspective there's been nothing to make me rethink - the attitude of EU politicians and the pissing around with the bureaucracy of leaving is just making me feel vindicated. Opinion polls have tended to show a larger majority wanting to go ahead with leaving than actually voted to leave. And the party who were pushing for a second vote at the GE bombed spectacularly. It's not really indicative of a mass change of heart, whatever your personal anecdotal evidence suggests.
Gibbon wrote: ↑Thu Oct 05, 2017 11:20 pm
I’ve since spoken to several other leave voters who were equally confused and still inexplicably chose to vote regardless.
Every remain voter I've heard from seems very confused.

For starters, there's the "young people" who've not known any different to the EU and apparently opted to stay, yet then supported the most anti-EU party leader at the GE. It doesn't really add up to them knowing their oninons...
