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Re: General Election

Post by Gibbon » Thu Feb 14, 2019 12:59 pm

Rover the Top wrote:
Thu Feb 14, 2019 8:28 am
Shadow Chancellor John McDonnell calls Winston Churchill a "villain"... :footinmouth: :dunce: :lol:
Not the most popular opinion, but lets face it, regardless of his achievements, Churchill was no saint.

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Re: General Election

Post by mrblackbat » Thu Feb 14, 2019 1:57 pm

I think calling him a villain will upset a lot of people, though. Probably not wise for someone in politics.

His prior answer also shows that he's not really suited to politics as well. ;)

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Re: General Election

Post by Gibbon » Thu Feb 14, 2019 1:59 pm

No, I’m not a fan.

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Re: General Election

Post by mrblackbat » Thu Feb 14, 2019 6:19 pm

Of John McDonnell? Or Churchill?

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Re: General Election

Post by Gibbon » Fri Feb 15, 2019 7:22 am

John McDonnell. :lol:

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Re: General Election

Post by Rover the Top » Fri Feb 15, 2019 11:07 am

Gibbon wrote:
Thu Feb 14, 2019 12:59 pm
Rover the Top wrote:
Thu Feb 14, 2019 8:28 am
Shadow Chancellor John McDonnell calls Winston Churchill a "villain"... :footinmouth: :dunce: :lol:
Not the most popular opinion, but lets face it, regardless of his achievements, Churchill was no saint.
If you think he was no saint, just wait until you hear about his opposite number in Germany... :yeahright:

I think most of history's heroes will have their flaws when viewed with modern attitudes. And certainly political figures will always have their critics. But you don't need to be perfect to be remembered as a hero. Calling Churchill a "villain" says more about McDonnell and his very warped perspective. It's astonishing and concerning given he's the shadow chancellor and has ambitions to lead his party.

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Re: General Election

Post by Gibbon » Fri Feb 15, 2019 8:02 pm

He was a brilliant man and the right one to lead us at that time. But I don’t think villain is too strong a word, even if I think it McDonnell is an idiot to use it. Churchill’s ruthlessness undoubtedly helped us win the war, but it also accomplished many other things, none of which should be swept under the carpet in the name of national pride.

Many people have called him much worse.

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Re: General Election

Post by mrblackbat » Mon Feb 18, 2019 3:23 pm

7 MPs quite the Labour party. All of them moderates, really.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47278902

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Re: General Election

Post by Gibbon » Mon Feb 18, 2019 3:33 pm

Yeah, I quite like the idea of an end to party politics. Can’t see it happening though.

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Re: General Election

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Re: General Election

Post by theadore » Tue Feb 19, 2019 3:17 pm

:lol:

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Re: General Election

Post by mrblackbat » Wed Feb 20, 2019 5:37 pm

And three tories join. Oh Noes!

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Re: General Election

Post by RoverthePennines » Fri Feb 22, 2019 2:37 pm

Gibbon wrote:
Fri Feb 15, 2019 8:02 pm
He was a brilliant man and the right one to lead us at that time. But I don’t think villain is too strong a word, even if I think it McDonnell is an idiot to use it. Churchill’s ruthlessness undoubtedly helped us win the war, but it also accomplished many other things, none of which should be swept under the carpet in the name of national pride.

Many people have called him much worse.
I'm inclined to agree with Gibbon, though I also think that the idea that we "won" the is one of the most successful propaganda pieces/prevalent national fallacies there is, and has been grossly misused in the current political climate

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Re: General Election

Post by mrblackbat » Fri Feb 22, 2019 7:51 pm

Yep, Germany and Japan were the ultimate winners. The amount of resource put into both countries after WW2 in order to prevent repeating the bitterness from the reparations of WW1 & subsequently WW3, was astounding. Completely set up both countries to be major players on the world stage.

Oh, is that not what you meant?

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Re: General Election

Post by RoverthePennines » Sat Feb 23, 2019 7:32 am

mrblackbat wrote:
Fri Feb 22, 2019 7:51 pm
Yep, Germany and Japan were the ultimate winners. The amount of resource put into both countries after WW2 in order to prevent repeating the bitterness from the reparations of WW1 & subsequently WW3, was astounding. Completely set up both countries to be major players on the world stage.

Oh, is that not what you meant?
Yes in part. A full answer would be a complex discussion involving economic realities, imperial decline, world politics, loss of human life, jingoism and piggy backing the achievements of our allies (to some degree).

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