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Re: General Election

Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2016 10:51 am
by mrblackbat
theadore wrote:The idea that a nation, particularly one like Russia can't spot an empty threat when they see one is a bit ridiculous. The very idea of a western invasion of Russia is laughable, we lack the means as well as the appitite for it.
It's only an empty threat if you refuse to back it up. Which is what Corbyn is doing.

If the threat was so empty, Russia wouldn't have given two fucks about the Ukraine joining Nato; however they did, leading to military action to shore up their own line of defence.

Should both Corbyn and Trump end up in power, I think Russia would invade the Baltic countries fairly shortly after.

Re: General Election

Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2017 2:53 pm
by Rover the Top
Great results for Labour last night - not only did they hang on to Stoke with a reduced majority over a shambolic UKIP challenge, they also bravely surrendered a safe-seat they've held for 80 years to give a gain in a by-election for a governing party for the first time in 35 years. :doh:

Re: General Election

Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2017 3:14 pm
by Gibbon
And took Winklebury and Basingstoke from the Tories. :lol:

Re: General Election

Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2017 3:46 pm
by mrblackbat
Which is what you expect from a by election. By elections are typically about the opposition taking seats. Having the best performance by the government in a by election since 1966 and the first by election gain by any government since 1982, says a great deal about the state of the opposition. Even Labour MPs agree, see Woodcock's comments.

The biggest fail from these by elections are for UKIP: in supposedly the Brexit capital of Britain they could only manage 79 more votes than the Conservatives.

Re: General Election

Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2017 4:43 pm
by theadore
Even people who already hated Corbyn say its a disaster... quelle surprise. (#champagnesocialist)

Still - poor result for Labour... think the anti-nuclear stance is more of a reason than the failings as a leader for corbyn in Copeland... but it's still not looking particularly great. Much worse for UKIP... Paul Nuttall always seemed a terrible choice for leader - and its difficult to see how he can take them anywhere after this (which is probably the best thing for the rest of us).

Re: General Election

Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2017 4:59 pm
by Ethiaa
Labour need to get over themselves and go down the progressive pact route with the other parties - there is no future in their current policy of not having any strong feelings either way about anything really although we don't like the Government that much but thanks for asking.

Re: General Election

Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2017 7:32 pm
by mrblackbat
theadore wrote:Much worse for UKIP... Paul Nuttall always seemed a terrible choice for leader - and its difficult to see how he can take them anywhere after this (which is probably the best thing for the rest of us).
This!

Re: General Election

Posted: Sun Feb 26, 2017 4:35 pm
by Al
I think that the public think that UKIP's job is done. Watch them come back if there is any hesitation about exercising Brexit.

Re: General Election

Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2017 9:17 am
by Rover the Top
Ethiaa wrote:Labour need to get over themselves and go down the progressive pact route with the other parties - there is no future in their current policy of not having any strong feelings either way about anything really although we don't like the Government that much but thanks for asking.
Indeed, I think that's the crux of it. It's easy to say Copeland was down to the unique circumstances with nuclear policy, but Labour's nuclear policy is muddled. They were under threat in Stoke because their EU policy is muddled. Corbyn's a middle-class socialist's wet dream of a politician, but he's always been at odds with his party and can't direct them. John McDonnell seems to think that disagreeing with everything and everybody is the only policy he needs as Shadow Chancellor. Abbott and Thornberry embarrass themselves nearly every time they open their mouths. The only thing the Labour party seems consistent on is that the NHS could be better, but they don't offer answers, and enough of the public are aware that that's because they don't have any.

May's been pretty awful since taking over the PM job, she should be under unbearable pressure from the opposition. And yet the Tories are miles ahead in the opinion polls and taking a safe Labour seat in a by election. It's happening because none of the other parties are offering a credible alternative that will appeal to a majority of people. They all seem to be trying to see who can shoot themselves in the foot the best. :shrug:

Re: General Election

Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2017 10:03 am
by Rover the Top
Speaking of McDonnell...

Re: General Election

Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2017 11:20 am
by mrblackbat
Paranoia at its peak. Whilst I can admire Corbyn's principals, even if I think they're impractical, Mcdonnell is just hilarious.

Re: General Election

Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2017 11:57 am
by Rover the Top
Indeed. I'm reading that he's actually changed his mind on that article in the time between him writing it last week and it getting published online. :lol: When I said he disagreed with everybody, I wasn't actually including himself...

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Re: General Election

Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2017 4:29 pm
by mrblackbat
You could write a really good novel about the number of plots in the labour party this year....

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-39325559

Re: General Election

Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2017 5:53 pm
by theadore
I liked the momentum response... "It's really unhelpful that right wing Blairite Tom Watson uses language like hard left to describe us"

Re: General Election

Posted: Tue Mar 21, 2017 10:35 am
by Rover the Top
And she probably doesn't see what's wrong there... :lol: Not least that Watson is correct to call Momentum hard left, whereas it's absurd to decribe him as a right-winger. But I don't really expect anything else from them.

Meanwhile, it's a bit sickening to see tributes to McGuiness for his part in the peace process in Northern Ireland that don't acknowledge he was part of why there wasn't peace.