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Re: Scottish Independence

Post by mrblackbat » Tue Sep 16, 2014 10:25 am

Indeed. I don't think I've actually heard a legitimate counter to any of the negatives of Scottish independence from him. I can't decide whether it's brilliance or idiocy..... sort of reminds me of the flat earthers.

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Re: Scottish Independence

Post by theadore » Tue Sep 16, 2014 11:07 am

In fairness there are no positives to staying with the UK being offered by the other side... only potential negatives about independence that generally lack the same substance as the pros.

It has been a woeful campaign all around.

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Re: Scottish Independence

Post by mrblackbat » Tue Sep 16, 2014 11:40 am

theadore wrote:In fairness there are no positives to staying with the UK being offered by the other side... only potential negatives about independence that generally lack the same substance as the pros.

It has been a woeful campaign all around.
I'm not sure that's true at all. There are plenty of positives being highlighted, though in the form of a "you're going to lose this": having a national currency which can be used to bail out your economy, being a member of the EU, being on the UN security council, continuing to be linked to a strong UK economy, continuing to have devolved (and an offer of increased) powers.

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Re: Scottish Independence

Post by RoryoftheRovers » Thu Sep 18, 2014 1:11 pm

IMO there is a large underlying current of No voters which will come out int he results. I would predict around 70% will vote to stay in the Union.

After all, it's the ones who want change that make all the noise.

I also wonder if, when given the privacy of the voting booths, many previously vocal 'yes' men will actually vote no...

It astonishes me that the stats quoted on both sides of the argument differ so greatly and no observer of the argument has any clue how to ratify them!

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Re: Scottish Independence

Post by Ethiaa » Thu Sep 18, 2014 1:15 pm

I think it'll be a lot closer than that - pollsters are as good as bookies most of the time you know.

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Re: Scottish Independence

Post by RoryoftheRovers » Thu Sep 18, 2014 1:31 pm

...but can be fraught with unintentional bias.

Just think of the impact on Labour if a yes vote wins!!

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Post by Ethiaa » Thu Sep 18, 2014 1:37 pm

RoryoftheRovers wrote:...but can be fraught with unintentional bias.
That's why they have sampling strategies, question ordering and phrasing randomisation.

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Re: Scottish Independence

Post by Ethiaa » Thu Sep 18, 2014 1:39 pm

Indeed. It's not a hard one to do really.

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Re: Scottish Independence

Post by theadore » Thu Sep 18, 2014 1:41 pm

RoryoftheRovers wrote:It astonishes me that the stats quoted on both sides of the argument differ so greatly and no observer of the argument has any clue how to ratify them!
I came up with an idea for a show based on a mix between the channel4 website fact check column and question time - where basically people are invited onto a question time style show, and then later in the week a lower key show where they are forced to back up the claims they've made once people have had longer to assess them in detail.

Probably nobody would watch it, or agree to go on it - but i'd enjoy it.

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Re: Scottish Independence

Post by theadore » Thu Sep 18, 2014 1:44 pm

Ethiaa wrote:Indeed. It's not a hard one to do really.

Oops - accidentally deleted that one

Was reading today about age bias problems which occur because the majority of polling is now done online (makes sense with it being cheaper)

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Re: Scottish Independence

Post by Ethiaa » Thu Sep 18, 2014 1:44 pm

theadore wrote:I came up with an idea for a show based on a mix between the channel4 website fact check column and question time - where basically people are invited onto a question time style show, and then later in the week a lower key show where they are forced to back up the claims they've made once people have had longer to assess them in detail.

Probably nobody would watch it, or agree to go on it - but i'd enjoy it.
Sounds a little bit like More or Less - but crappier.

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Re: Scottish Independence

Post by rob_of_the_robots » Fri Sep 19, 2014 8:18 am

Many bitter Yes voters this morning. :cry:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRWWilODlsc[/youtube]

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Re: Scottish Independence

Post by Rover the Top » Fri Sep 19, 2014 9:14 am

It's bizarre how "democracy" works in this country. All the rhetoric this morning is about making plans to change the political structure of the whole UK in response to how about a third of the miniscule Scottish electorate voted. The question was whether Scotland should break from the UK, and the majority of those given the opportunity to vote said no. I'm all in favour of more regional government, in England as well as the smaller Union countries. But it's wrong to assume the 2m "No" voters want changes instead of independence, that wasn't what they were asked. And it's absurd to assume that's what the rest of the UK want when we haven't even had the chance to register any opinion.

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