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Re: Scottish Independence

Post by theadore » Fri Sep 19, 2014 9:29 am

Its not what they were asked - but polling suggests it should have been. Offering them a devo-max option in the referendum would almost certainly have led to that being the option chosen.

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Re: Scottish Independence

Post by mrblackbat » Fri Sep 19, 2014 9:44 am

theadore wrote:Its not what they were asked - but polling suggests it should have been. Offering them a devo-max option in the referendum would almost certainly have led to that being the option chosen.
I'm all for devo.

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Re: Scottish Independence

Post by RoryoftheRovers » Fri Sep 19, 2014 11:17 am

I'm not sure max devolution is a sensible strategy to be honest. At least not if it is given in one foul swoop.

I'm all for nations having a greater say in the United Kingdom however I wouldn't be surprised it caused greater rift and divide. I would imagine it will fuel political parties campaigns however regarding inequality and reneged promises.

I'm also uncomfortable with a nations ability to influence Westminster but not vice versa.

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Re: Scottish Independence

Post by Rover the Top » Fri Sep 19, 2014 11:18 am

RoryoftheRovers wrote: I'm also uncomfortable with a nations ability to influence Westminster but not vice versa.
Yep, we should stand up to the Americans more... :yeahright:

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Re: Scottish Independence

Post by RoryoftheRovers » Fri Sep 19, 2014 11:32 am

Rover the Top wrote:
RoryoftheRovers wrote: I'm also uncomfortable with a nations ability to influence Westminster but not vice versa.
Yep, we should stand up to the Americans more... :yeahright:
:lol: - set that up good and proper.... :roll:

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Re: Scottish Independence

Post by mrblackbat » Fri Sep 19, 2014 4:18 pm

Hah Alex Salmond to step down. So much for him continuing to work regardless of the outcome.... :dunce:

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Re: Scottish Independence

Post by Rover the Top » Fri Sep 19, 2014 5:06 pm

mrblackbat wrote:Hah Alex Salmond to step down. So much for him continuing to work regardless of the outcome.... :dunce:
But it's got nothing whatsoever to do with the outcome of the referendum... :lol:

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Re: Scottish Independence

Post by mrblackbat » Sun Jul 12, 2015 5:24 am

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-33496575

That's nice of her. Perhaps she should try and see if she can get Scottish MPs to vote on matters for Vanautu as well. And Brazil.

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Re: Scottish Independence

Post by Gibbon » Sun Jul 12, 2015 7:47 am

mrblackbat wrote:http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-33496575

That's nice of her. Perhaps she should try and see if she can get Scottish MPs to vote on matters for Vanautu as well. And Brazil.
I think she has a point. The laws in question affect Scotland. English MP gripes about not being able to vote for matters that only affect Scotland are nonsensical in comparison.

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Re: Scottish Independence

Post by mrblackbat » Sun Jul 12, 2015 3:10 pm

I don't, especially considering the Scottish get to decide how to spend my tax money, but we have no control say how to spend theirs.

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Re: Scottish Independence

Post by Gibbon » Sun Jul 12, 2015 3:26 pm

I wouldn't worry too much, our tax money will in all likelihood go straight into Cameron's champagne lunch fund.

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Re: Scottish Independence

Post by Rover the Top » Mon Jul 13, 2015 9:35 am

Sturgeon is just trying to make as much noise as possible before everyone realises the SNP are an irrelevance as far as UK politics goes. The current government have a majority just from counting English seats, they can pass any English-only bills whether the Scottish MPs vote or not. It was more of an issue when Labour were relying on Scottish support to get a majority. Of course, the Conservatives would have an even bigger majority to govern with if Scotland was cut adrift into the North Sea. But so far as the SNP's influence goes, it wouldn't make a great deal of difference if they were all replaced by the Labour MPs they ousted.

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Re: Scottish Independence

Post by SheepShagginRover » Mon Jul 13, 2015 2:17 pm

The SNP don't vote on legislation that doesn't affect Scotland in Westminster.

Non-story.

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Re: Scottish Independence

Post by Rover the Top » Mon Jul 13, 2015 3:27 pm

I can't imagine she's complaining about not being able to vote when she doesn't intend to anyway. That's more Harriet Harman's sort of thing... :D

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Re: Scottish Independence

Post by mrblackbat » Mon Jul 13, 2015 6:45 pm

SheepShagginRover wrote:The SNP don't vote on legislation that doesn't affect Scotland in Westminster.

Non-story.
Though Sturgeon has made it clear that they intend to if certain policies are brought up, such as the NHS and tax. So non story becomes a story.

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