Pistorius trial.

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Post by Rover the Top » Thu Oct 30, 2014 10:29 am

It's not a surprise, but it wasn't a given. They have to persuade the court to overturn a ruling from an old case where the prosecution were unable to appeal because a guilty verdict on a lesser charge had been given.

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Post by Ethiaa » Wed Nov 05, 2014 2:47 pm

Unrelated but I thought I'd ask..

http://www.theguardian.com/football/201 ... CMP=twt_gu

How exactly do you attempt manslaughter?

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Is it where you fire four shots through a bathroom door at your girlfriend thinking she's an intruder, but miss?

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Post by Ethiaa » Thu Nov 06, 2014 8:25 am

Very possibly.

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Re: Pistorius trial.

Post by Gibbon » Thu Nov 06, 2014 9:02 am

So the Galatassaray fans thought they were throwing flares at burglars?

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Post by Rover the Top » Thu Nov 06, 2014 9:28 am

Quite possibly. On a serious note, I presume it's a German legal phrase that doesn't translate well into English?

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Post by RoryoftheRovers » Thu Nov 06, 2014 11:21 am

Ethiaa wrote:Unrelated but I thought I'd ask..

http://www.theguardian.com/football/201 ... CMP=twt_gu

How exactly do you attempt manslaughter?
If you partake in an act which knowingly could kill someone but not intend to, but do so to cause non fatal harm and then fail to do either?! :shrug:

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Post by Rover the Top » Thu Nov 06, 2014 11:51 am

...then you've attempted to cause non-fatal harm? You can't logically attempt to commit manslaughter, you can't intend to kill someone unintentionally... :?

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Post by Rover the Top » Thu Nov 06, 2014 12:12 pm

Again unrelated, but AC/DC's drummer has been charged with attempting to arrange a murder...

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Post by Rover the Top » Fri Nov 07, 2014 8:32 am

Rover the Top wrote:Again unrelated, but AC/DC's drummer has been charged with attempting to arrange a murder...
Charge now dropped.

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Post by Rover the Top » Wed Dec 10, 2014 8:35 am

Back to Pistorius, and the prosecution have been denied their appeal on the sentence, but granted leave to appeal the conviction.

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Post by Rover the Top » Tue Oct 06, 2015 2:26 pm

There's been a little more controversy in the Pistorius case, as the prosecution's appeal looms.

As per the terms of his sentence, Pistorius was eligible for parole and to be released under house arrest after serving 10 months. It was expected that he'd be released back in August. But days before he was due to leave prison, the South African justice minister asked for a review of the parole board's decision, stating that it had been made prematurely. The review yesterday has agreed with the minister, apparently the parole board had assessed his case after just 6 months instead of the required 10. So for now he has to remain in jail until the parole board meet again.

But this has led to suggestions that a special case is being made out of him for political reasons, that the parole process wouldn't be followed so strictly for anyone else and that it's all been done to avoid releasing him before the appeal. As much as I still don't follow the judge's logic in saying it was only culpable homicide, I also think it's wrong to keep him in jail longer than would normally be expected for this conviction, just because the procedure hasn't been followed correctly.

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Post by Gibbon » Tue Oct 06, 2015 2:48 pm

Maybe it just highlights that it should be followed correctly for everyone else too.

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Post by Rover the Top » Tue Oct 06, 2015 3:06 pm

I don't know about that, because it's not clear what happens with everyone else. The thing for me is that if they'd held the parole hearing after 10 months as was supposed to be the case, then Pistorius would be out under house arrest by now. Since they held it too early, then from a procedure point of view it makes sense to scrap that decision. But now he's spent a further two months in prison and still has to wait for a fresh hearing that is probably going to arrive at the same decision. Even if from this point onwards every convict gets their hearing at the correct time, it doesn't seem right that Pistorius has had a longer wait.

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Post by Rover the Top » Tue Nov 03, 2015 12:04 pm

The arguments for the appeal heard in a morning. Quite a contrast to the trial.

The defence lawyer apparently was overheard saying he was going to lose after the hearing.

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