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Re: The US sports thread

Post by Jim » Sat Nov 07, 2015 3:02 pm

Hoping Waco sees this as its his opinion more than anyone's that I'm seeking...

As a Dallas Cowboys fan, how do you personally feel about the Greg Hardy situation?

For those who aren't aware, Greg was banned for the entire 2014/15 season for beating his then girlfriend and throwing her onto a couch covered in assault rifles and other guns whilst he was playing for the Carolina Panthers. He's since signed for the Cowboys this season.

Deadspin released this article today (WARNING it contains graphic images of physical abuse) and amazingly, his court case has been expunged from the records. Jerry Jones has time and again spoken out about how Hardy is a "team leader" despite the fact he physically confronted a special teams coach on live TV, slapping a clipboard out of his hand and confronting him, then made several disgusting comments about New England Patriots QB Tom Brady's wife, Gisele Bundchen, before the game earlier this season which nobody seems to be bothered about.

The Cowboys' fans seem to be living in a different reality where spousal abuse is acceptable because a player is talented and defend him to the death (it seems) whereas virtually the rest of the entire US public sees him for what he is, a disgusting cretin of a human being.

It also boggles my mind how the NFL can not see these images (apparently they weren't used when dishing out punishment), and somehow fail to hand down a punishment to Ray Rice (for knocking his wife clean out in a casino elevator) after refusing to consider the tapes of the incident (he got a two game ban) yet it paid millions upon millions of dollars to drag the "DeflateGate" case through the courts and essentially perform a character assassination on one of the best players in NFL history for something that was never proven and couldn't be proven.

Be interested to see if this triggers off any debate.

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Re: The US sports thread

Post by RoryoftheRovers » Wed Nov 11, 2015 10:30 am

Jim wrote:Hoping Waco sees this as its his opinion more than anyone's that I'm seeking...

As a Dallas Cowboys fan, how do you personally feel about the Greg Hardy situation?

For those who aren't aware, Greg was banned for the entire 2014/15 season for beating his then girlfriend and throwing her onto a couch covered in assault rifles and other guns whilst he was playing for the Carolina Panthers. He's since signed for the Cowboys this season.

Deadspin released this article today (WARNING it contains graphic images of physical abuse) and amazingly, his court case has been expunged from the records. Jerry Jones has time and again spoken out about how Hardy is a "team leader" despite the fact he physically confronted a special teams coach on live TV, slapping a clipboard out of his hand and confronting him, then made several disgusting comments about New England Patriots QB Tom Brady's wife, Gisele Bundchen, before the game earlier this season which nobody seems to be bothered about.

The Cowboys' fans seem to be living in a different reality where spousal abuse is acceptable because a player is talented and defend him to the death (it seems) whereas virtually the rest of the entire US public sees him for what he is, a disgusting cretin of a human being.

It also boggles my mind how the NFL can not see these images (apparently they weren't used when dishing out punishment), and somehow fail to hand down a punishment to Ray Rice (for knocking his wife clean out in a casino elevator) after refusing to consider the tapes of the incident (he got a two game ban) yet it paid millions upon millions of dollars to drag the "DeflateGate" case through the courts and essentially perform a character assassination on one of the best players in NFL history for something that was never proven and couldn't be proven.

Be interested to see if this triggers off any debate.
Thanks for the summary Jim, I had no idea. Having read this and the subsequent Ray Rice story - I'm shocked!! its unfathomable that it seems Hardy's story has been swept under the carpet, although the reports of her settling prior to the court case will not have helped the situation. Its almost as though the media and courts have said, well they've dealt with it between themselves, lets keep it between them.

I would appreciate a regular update or summary relating to US sports news, as I for one am too lazy / busy to follow up on the juicy bits you here - i.e. deflate gate...

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Re: The US sports thread

Post by RoryoftheRovers » Mon Dec 07, 2015 11:46 am

Enjoyed watching the Panthers v Saints game last night - Panthers just about maintaining their 100% record against a poor performing side.

Cam Newton is pretty decent.

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Re: The US sports thread

Post by WacoRover » Tue Mar 08, 2016 9:56 pm

Jim,
Sorry, I am a few months late on this conversation, but I just saw it. I think I might be able to make a comment or two, since I have been a Cowboys fan since 1969. I grew up 16 miles north of Dallas, & when the Cowboys still played in the Cotton Bowl. I have followed them ever since Calvin Hill & Roger Staubach's rookie seasons. So, I have seen a bunch of wins (as well as jackassery) over the past half-century.

Troubled players are nothing new to the Cowboys; Shoot, even Tom Landry had 'em, but he didn't keep 'em around. He got rid of 'em..."keep it in the pants" Lance Rentzel, Bob Hayes, Clint Longley, Pat Toomay, John Niland, Raphael Septien, etc., there were always problem-children, but Tom didn't mess around.

The trouble with Jerry Jones, he seems to THRIVE on these kinds of players. He collects 'em...such as Tank Johnson, Adam "Pac-Man" Jones, etc. Even Keyshaun was troubled (but, he was a solid citizen in Dallas). Jerry likes provocateur's. They sell his merchandise. It's how he gets even richer than he already is. Never mind, the 9-7 or 8-8 record since the last Super Bowl win (Dallas, I believe, has averaged 8-8 a season since 1996).

I will not defend Hardy. His actions, & lack of remorse, are deplorable. I work in the criminal justice system, & I see the many failures of the system. Hardy is one of those failures. Hardy is just another circus clown on display at Cowboy, er, AT&T Stadium (another Jerry Jones marketing stroke of genius). I can't believe any of the players on the team respect this guy. It's just another sign that Jerry Jones isn't about winning, as much as he is about making a buck. If there is anyone who can capitalize on ne'er-do-well's, has-been's, and never-were's, it's Jones.

Incidentally, the last time I was in AT&T Stadium, there were 43 different advertisers that I counted...everything from Chevrolet, Pepsi, and Taco-Bell, to local insurance agents, & car dealers. Jones pays for NOTHING...tax-payers & those who advertise do it for him. Not to mention, Joe Sixpack, who spends $8 on Cokes & $9 on hotdogs at the games.

I still have a lot of respect for certain players: Jason Witten, for example. One of the best tight ends in the history of the NFL. He is destined to complete his NFL career, and probable Hall of Fame induction on the first ballot, having only played in 2-3 playoff games. No NFC titles, or Super Bowls. Tony Romo is the best QB in the history of the NFL, never to be drafted. Undrafted free-agent, but Jones has stuck with him too long, and gave him the $50 million when he needed to shore up other parts of the team. He's a liability now.

I used to eat, sleep, & breathe the Dallas Cowboys. No more. It's sad, when the thing you love becomes a harlot. Being a Dallas Cowboy, and playing with the star on the helmet, used to be desired. Now it is laughed at. You still love the thing that is the Dallas Cowboys, the history & greatness, but you can't be close as you once were. You talk about her greatness in bygone days, but the tart simply exists for the money. That's all the Dallas Cowboys are anymore.

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Re: The US sports thread

Post by WacoRover » Tue Mar 08, 2016 10:06 pm

Another thing...
I know lots of Cowboys fans (or ex-Cowboys fans, lol) & I don't know any fans who DO NOT feel as I do. I realize they fill up the stadium every week, 90,000 paying fans, but many of them look as if they spent their last dollar on game tickets, high-priced jerseys, hoodies, & ballpark food & beer, rather than making their child support payments.

There are still a lot of us old Dallas Cowboys fans around, who look upon Jerry's circus, just for what it is...entertainment value to be laughed at. It's a soap-opera. It's almost like professional wrestling, roller-derby, & monster truck shows, all rolled into one. He isn't serious about winning. If he was, he would fire himself as President & General Manager, and hire someone who is competent in both jobs. Only death seems a way of separating him from running the day-to-day operations, player evaluation, & even choosing coaches (Jerry's head coaches do not hire their assistants).

Unfortunately, his eldest son appears to have as inflated an opinion of himself as Jerry does. Dallas Cowboys used to be NFL royalty. I think the days of Dallas being more than just an average NFL franchise are over. Sadly, they are just another team, whose best days are behind them.

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Re: The US sports thread

Post by Ethiaa » Mon Sep 05, 2016 9:32 pm

I joined up with one of the breweries that supplies us to do their fantasy NFL league this year - just did the live draft. Hilarious. I have only a touch of NFL knowledge these days but it was so utterly irrelevant when confronted with things happening faster than I could keep up with. But hey, I have some players!

I think I need to join about another 20 leagues to get the hang of wtf I should be doing there. Of course, it's all going to be irrelevant once I forget to change my lineup and end up with a starting QB who has a broken leg for most of the season. Hurrah!

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Re: The US sports thread

Post by theadore » Mon Sep 05, 2016 10:04 pm

I do a draft league for the premiership these days. Player trading and head to head matches definitely make it more interesting.

Save the research and just watch the league... Pretty sure it's true to life.

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Re: The US sports thread

Post by Gibbon » Tue Sep 06, 2016 7:54 am

Or Paul Rudd in Knocked Up. :lol:

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Re: The US sports thread

Post by iamarover » Tue Sep 06, 2016 9:03 am

I'm also playing normal football in a draft league this year on Togga (in addition to other regular fantasy football). The draft was fun and making sure I'm paying attention when lineups come out each week could get ... interesting.

I've seen a lot of the League too.

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Re: The US sports thread

Post by theadore » Tue Sep 06, 2016 9:46 am

Looked at togga. . Looks a good site. The app especially, although not sure on the complex scoring.

We're on unique11.co.uk... It's a bit slap dash, but getting better.

Ballsed up the draft though... Cesc fabregas... What was I thinking?

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Re: The US sports thread

Post by Ethiaa » Tue Sep 06, 2016 9:51 am

You were thinking you were playing a U.S. sports fantasy game?

Should have got Ezekiel Elliott instead.

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Re: The US sports thread

Post by theadore » Tue Sep 06, 2016 10:11 am

Ha-Ha Clinton-Dix for the win surely?

Would be interested in who you got actually.... Obviously blighted by a Green Bay bias, but I think Eddie Lacy now he's slimmed down could have a great year.

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Re: The US sports thread

Post by Ethiaa » Tue Sep 06, 2016 10:24 am

I had last draft pick in a league of 8...

Andrew Luck (QB - IND)
Ezekiel Elliott (RB - DAL)
Lamar Miller (RB - HOU)
Brandon Marshall (WR - NYJ)
Mike Evans (WR - TB)
Brandin Cooks (WR - NO)
Delanie Walker (TE - TEN)
Justin Tucker (K - BAL)
Houston Texans (DEF)

T.Y. Hilton (WR - IND)
Randall Cobb (WR - GB)
DeMarco Murray (RB - TEN)
Jeremy Langford (RB - CHI)
Coby Fleener (TE - NO)
Kirk Cousins (QB - WAS)

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Re: The US sports thread

Post by Gibbon » Tue Sep 06, 2016 10:34 am

Oh mate, 9 outfield players, only 6 subs and you completely forgot to pick a goalkeeper! ;)

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Post by Ethiaa » Tue Sep 06, 2016 10:40 am

Gibbon wrote:Oh mate, 9 outfield players, only 6 subs and you completely forgot to pick a goalkeeper! ;)
Whatcha mean? I've got a whole defence there - that's 11 to start with.

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