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Re: General Election

Post by Rover the Top » Thu Jul 25, 2019 10:21 am

Boris Johnson has won the support of fewer than 100,000 unrepresentative Conservative Party members by promising tax cuts for the richest, presenting himself as the bankers' friend, and pushing for a damaging No Deal Brexit. But he hasn't won the support of our country.

Johnson’s No Deal Brexit would mean job cuts, higher prices in the shops, and risk our NHS being sold off to US corporations in a sweetheart deal with Donald Trump. The people of our country should decide who becomes the Prime Minister in a General Election.

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Re: General Election

Post by Gibbon » Thu Jul 25, 2019 11:11 am

Didn’t Johnson famously call for general election after Brown became PM under similar circumstances, citing that Brown had no mandate to govern? :yeahright:

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Re: General Election

Post by Rover the Top » Thu Jul 25, 2019 11:27 am

Gibbon wrote:
Thu Jul 25, 2019 11:11 am
Didn’t Johnson famously call for general election after Brown became PM under similar circumstances, citing that Brown had no mandate to govern? :yeahright:
That'd be different again because Brown didn't even get elected by his party to be leader.

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Re: General Election

Post by mrblackbat » Thu Jul 25, 2019 8:27 pm

Rover the Top wrote:
Thu Jul 25, 2019 10:21 am
Boris Johnson has won the support of fewer than 100,000 unrepresentative Conservative Party members by promising tax cuts for the richest, presenting himself as the bankers' friend, and pushing for a damaging No Deal Brexit. But he hasn't won the support of our country.

Johnson’s No Deal Brexit would mean job cuts, higher prices in the shops, and risk our NHS being sold off to US corporations in a sweetheart deal with Donald Trump. The people of our country should decide who becomes the Prime Minister in a General Election.
Hmm, I still think it's a bit dubious; like you say, had Labour been in power when Corbyn won I think he'd have still trotted out his clear mandate lines. He practically did that when he lost the last election.....

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Re: General Election

Post by Rover the Top » Fri Jul 26, 2019 8:25 am

What's dubious? There's no mention of a lack of a mandate to lead the Conservatives. He says twice he needs the support of the country, the second time specifying to be PM. And then there's the usual disconnected ramblings for his supporters to lap up.

I don't know what he'd do if he'd been elected whilst Labour were in power, we'll never find out. You can't call someone a hypocrite on the assumption they'd be a hypocrite. If you do want to find something in there that appears contrary, it's his EU views - he's reputed to be a Bennite Eurosceptic, yet he never voices any arguments for leaving the EU, quite the opposite in fact.

Of course, if Corbyn really thinks we should have an election, he could table a no confidence motion before parliament breaks up... oh wait, that was yesterday, and he ignored the Lib Dems calls to do just that. :yeahright:

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Re: General Election

Post by theadore » Fri Jul 26, 2019 1:10 pm

It's a bit annoying this debate... if you can call it that.

It is definitely a positive reflection on modern Britain that children of migrants have risen to two of the top 4 jobs in government... however, it is also true that those same ministers do not have a great voting record on minority issues... among other skeletons in their closet.

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Re: General Election

Post by Gibbon » Fri Jul 26, 2019 6:57 pm

Satire?
Jeremy Corbyn has responded to Boris Johnson’s threat to take Britain out of the EU without a deal with a commitment to finish making three dozen jars of strawberry jam by this weekend.
To be fair though, even if it wasn’t satire, he’d still be a preferable choice for PM.

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Re: General Election

Post by Rover the Top » Mon Jul 29, 2019 7:38 am

Gibbon wrote:
Fri Jul 26, 2019 6:57 pm
Satire?
Jeremy Corbyn has responded to Boris Johnson’s threat to take Britain out of the EU without a deal with a commitment to finish making three dozen jars of strawberry jam by this weekend.
To be fair though, even if it wasn’t satire, he’d still be a preferable choice for PM.
Seems quite coherent compared to Labour's actual Brexit policy... :shrug:

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Re: General Election

Post by mrblackbat » Mon Jul 29, 2019 12:09 pm

They have a Brexit policy?!? :shock:

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Re: General Election

Post by Rover the Top » Mon Jul 29, 2019 12:56 pm

mrblackbat wrote:
Mon Jul 29, 2019 12:09 pm
They have a Brexit policy?!? :shock:
Yes I think it's that they're commited to leaving the EU, unless it's without a deal, or on terms agreed by the Conservatives, in which case they want a General Election (which they assume they will win and then impose their own deal on the EU), or a second referendum so that they can campaign to remain, unless they've changed their minds again by then.

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Re: General Election

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You'd think someone would have already picked up on the fact he attended those sort of things... :yeahright:


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Re: General Election

Post by theadore » Mon Aug 12, 2019 3:41 pm

Yup... Terrible execution... I know a fair few greens who are not very happy at all.

(That said, I read a tweet thread this morning claiming they're were no 'left wingers'... I'm sorry but if your politics is so out there that Caroline Lucas is a centrist them you need too have a word with yourself)

Feels like there is a grain of a good idea in here though... The government has spent 3 years on the tyre fire that is brexit and ignoring everything else... The so called opposition still support brexit, but disagree on everything in only lazy reactionary terms... But crucially have absolutely no new ideas to break the log jam with the EU.

If parliament is going to continue its brexit navel gazing for the foreseeable which seems likely then a loose coalition of remain feels like the opposition that parliament needs to become functional again.

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