Rover the Top wrote: ↑Fri Apr 17, 2020 2:03 pm
mrblackbat wrote: ↑Fri Apr 17, 2020 10:51 am
Right, so other party's voters aren't Starmar's territory.... but other party's voters are Johnson's territory?
What are you talking about?
The whole point is that voters aren't fixed. For Labour to win an election, they need to take voters from other parties, by appealing to people who voted for a different party, that can happen.
What are you talking about? I said Johnson was encroaching on Labour's territory, not that Labour
was Johnson's territory.
The Tories took a load of seats off Labour, won a big majority. Labour cannot get into power without taking some back, even if they swept up all the smaller parties' seats. Becoming more like the Lib Dems would be an obvious misstep. I've not the time nor inclination to work out how many seats would have been different if you combined Labour and Lib Dem results, but it would just be academic. Attempts at setting up tactical voting showed not everyone is inclined to change sides, it's improbable that in practice you'd overturn the majority by focussing on a smaller, less popular party's voters. You wouldn't convert enough and risk driving more of your existing support away. There's a reason the Lib Dems only have 11 seats... The best way to put a dent in the Conservative majority would be to attack them directly. As the last Labour leader to actually win an election did.
Ethiaa wrote: ↑Fri Apr 17, 2020 12:14 pm
mrblackbat wrote: ↑Fri Apr 17, 2020 10:51 am
Right, so other party's voters aren't Starmar's territory....
Taking this typo to it's logical conclusion, there's a Starmer waiting in the sky.

It's the third time he's made it...
Honestly, I really struggle to understand what you're talking about these days. So, Johnson is encroaching on Labour's territory, but those voters aren't his territory.... but this is all irrelevant when talking about how Starmer might encroach on the centre and centre right territory, because that's not his territory... ?
Is that your logical argument? Because I'm really struggling to follow any narrative here at all....
Do you literally think that
by referencing myself, a former Conservative voter, now a Lib Dem voter, that I was implying I am the only possible demographic in the centre that might find him appealing, and that only people that voted for the Lib Dems last time might switch? This is why I say it's really difficult talking to you because you only ever focus on the
exact example provided. There's a good many centre right Conservative voters who wanted to remain in the EU that might well switch allegiances with a more moderate Labour leader.