Brexit....or in.

There must be more to life than football?

Which way would you vote

Remain and voted remain the first time
8
73%
Leave and voted leave the first time
2
18%
Remain but voted leave the first time
0
No votes
Leave but voted remain the first time
1
9%
Can't be arsed
0
No votes
 
Total votes: 11

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Re: Brexit....or in.

Post by mcteeth » Fri Nov 01, 2019 8:42 am

Just for being booed out of another hospital :lol:

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Post by mcteeth » Fri Nov 01, 2019 12:09 pm

Farage has doubled down on Trump's comments today and called for an alliance with the Tories and the drop their deal. Puts the Tories in a difficult position.

Also, if any such alliance came to be, nobody voted for Brexit on the basis of doing what was needed to secure a trade agreement with the US. Not sure that is a winning ticket and plays more into the hands of Remain parties.

If Brexit becomes what Trump has dictated it breaks a lot of the Leave rhetoric the Tories having been guffing on about.

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Post by mcteeth » Sat Nov 02, 2019 9:27 am

Vote Leave investigation has been handed to the Crown Prosecution Service.

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Post by mrblackbat » Sun Nov 03, 2019 12:20 pm

Yougov poll on whether failure to leave is BoJo's fault. Only 37% say not his fault, compared to 50% that blame him in some respect.

https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/su ... 01/acd85/2

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Post by Rover the Top » Mon Nov 04, 2019 7:36 am

mrblackbat wrote:
Thu Oct 31, 2019 5:52 pm
Rover the Top wrote:
Thu Oct 31, 2019 4:34 pm
mrblackbat wrote:
Thu Oct 31, 2019 4:10 pm
How do you know his party won't support it?
They've said so. Repeatedly.
But they don't know what that deal is yet, cause it hasn't been put forward yet?
And? Abbott, McDonnell, Thornberry, Starmer, Watson and so on have all gone on record saying they'll back remain in a second referendum regardless of what deal Corbyn negotiates. Are you saying they're all lying?

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Post by Rover the Top » Mon Nov 04, 2019 8:10 am

mcteeth wrote:
Sat Nov 02, 2019 9:27 am
Vote Leave investigation has been handed to the Crown Prosecution Service.
Well, the police handed a file over to the CPS for early advice. They haven't handed the investigation over.

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Post by mrblackbat » Mon Nov 04, 2019 8:51 am

Rover the Top wrote:
Mon Nov 04, 2019 7:36 am
mrblackbat wrote:
Thu Oct 31, 2019 5:52 pm
Rover the Top wrote:
Thu Oct 31, 2019 4:34 pm
mrblackbat wrote:
Thu Oct 31, 2019 4:10 pm
How do you know his party won't support it?
They've said so. Repeatedly.
But they don't know what that deal is yet, cause it hasn't been put forward yet?
And? Abbott, McDonnell, Thornberry, Starmer, Watson and so on have all gone on record saying they'll back remain in a second referendum regardless of what deal Corbyn negotiates. Are you saying they're all lying?
I think you're stretching the definition of "not supporting".

And let's face it Rees-Mogg repeatedly slammed the deal that he's now signed up to, and declared a delay was a better option.

So you can take your biased view and slam one side: but let's see you slam the Conservatives as well for the same, eh? Balance and objectivity and all that...

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Post by Rover the Top » Mon Nov 04, 2019 9:06 am

mrblackbat wrote:
Mon Nov 04, 2019 8:51 am


I think you're stretching the definition of "not supporting".
:shrug: They''ve vowed to do the exact opposite. It's literally the definition of "not supporting" it.

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Post by Rover the Top » Mon Nov 04, 2019 9:50 am

mrblackbat wrote:
Mon Nov 04, 2019 8:51 am

So you can take your biased view and slam one side: but let's see you slam the Conservatives as well for the same, eh? Balance and objectivity and all that...
:lol: The problem there is, if you actually had any balance and objectivity yourself, you'd recognise reluctantly accepting a situation is the closest you'll get to your aims is very different to saying you'll set up that situation then campaign against it. I don't think there is widespread total opposition to Johnson's deal within the Conservative party - the few rebels like Grieve and Hammond were ejected from the party.

As an aside, it's funny how you think referring back to Labour MPs' actual words is "slamming" them. :? It's just facts, blackbat. If you think they paint those MPs in a negative light, then process what that means about your own opinion instead of projecting on to me.

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Post by mrblackbat » Mon Nov 04, 2019 10:55 am

And you're doing it again. So Rees Mogg is allowed to reluctantly accept a deal despite, in his own words, vehemently objecting to it and voting against it twice up until the moment he was given serious concessions personally for it; but Labour MPs aren't. :dunce:

You regularly demonstrate that you have no objectivity on this issue. None. Zero.

And once again, you'll just come back with the same argument that it isn't you, it's everybody else, and you're a paragon of objective virtue in this entire debate; people only voted to leave because it's exactly what they wanted and they were in full possession of all the facts to make that decision, they definitely weren't duped by any of the political canvassing etc etc etc.

Bored, so see you later.

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Post by Rover the Top » Mon Nov 04, 2019 11:46 am

mrblackbat wrote:
Mon Nov 04, 2019 10:55 am
And you're doing it again. So Rees Mogg is allowed to reluctantly accept a deal despite, in his own words, vehemently objecting to it and voting against it twice up until the moment he was given serious concessions personally for it; but Labour MPs aren't. :dunce:

You regularly demonstrate that you have no objectivity on this issue. None. Zero.
:shrug: That's got absolutely nothing to do with Corbyn seeking a deal his front bench have said they will vote against. There's no parallels to draw, you're comparing very different situations. If Labour win the election, Corbyn negotiates a new deal, puts it in a referendum, and his front bench go back on what they're saying now and support it, then you'll be able to say they're like Rees-Mogg supporting a deal he'd previously opposed. But that's not where they are now - they've all said they'll campaign to remain in a second referendum. I'm not passing opinion on that, just stating fact. I've no idea why you're taking exception to that - don't blame me for what MPs go on record with. If it doesn't fit your world view, your world view is wrong.

Disagreeing with you means "no objectivity" - of course, mrblackbat, self-appointed adjudicator on what we're all allowed to think. The year is 1984. :lol:

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Post by mrblackbat » Mon Nov 04, 2019 12:53 pm

:boring: :boring:

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Post by mcteeth » Mon Nov 04, 2019 1:17 pm

Rover the Top wrote:
Mon Nov 04, 2019 8:10 am
mcteeth wrote:
Sat Nov 02, 2019 9:27 am
Vote Leave investigation has been handed to the Crown Prosecution Service.
Well, the police handed a file over to the CPS for early advice. They haven't handed the investigation over.
Oh well that's fine then, all above board, nothing to see here... :footinmouth:

Suppose that's the same with the Russian interference report, no need to publish that.

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Post by Rover the Top » Mon Nov 04, 2019 1:35 pm

mcteeth wrote:
Mon Nov 04, 2019 1:17 pm

Oh well that's fine then, all above board, nothing to see here... :footinmouth:
:shrug: Who knows? The whole point is the investigation is ongoing, there's nothing to discern from the fact they sought advice before proceeding.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-50276673
A Met spokesman said: "On Thursday, October 17, the MPS [Metropolitan Police Service] submitted a file to the CPS for early investigative advice in relation to the second investigation, which followed a referral from the Electoral Commission on July 17, 2018 and concerns Vote Leave and BeLeave."

CPS guidelines state prosecutors "may provide guidance and advice in serious, sensitive or complex cases".

They add that early investigative advice could "save both police and CPS resources and time later on".

It does not mean the CPS is considering criminal charges or that they will be brought in future.

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