theadore wrote: ↑Tue Jun 06, 2017 2:44 pm
It's alright - even if he wipes us out we might get one shot at arkansas... assuming the missiles work of course. Makes me feel better anyway....
I'm hopeful that calmer heads will prevail in the EU negotiations.... we have 2 years to work it out, and assuming that behind closed doors we accept that we aren't getting full access for no price, the sooner European nations will come to accept that some trade is better than none. My guess is that Macron and Merkel will find a compromise that suits and the rest will fall in line. The divorce bill will be hard to swallow regardless... but remembering the furore over Osbourne's rebate nonsense, big noise at the time, but the public forgot about it pretty quick. Most people will accept that paying contributions already promised is part of the deal... especially if the EU make a conciliatory gesture of some sort.
That's where I'm not so sure. For instance contributions already promised is actually a very sketchy description of what has been agreed already. If it were that simple, there'd just be a number. There isn't. There's certainly an argument that there should be no divorce bill, depending how you look at it.
Macron getting elected will help in a big way, but we'll just have to see once the dust settles. To be honest, it is one of the things that Maybot is correct about: keeping quiet about what you want to get out of it is the best way to approach negotiations if you want them to be successful. Saying that you want a deal, no matter what, is not.
theadore wrote: ↑Tue Jun 06, 2017 2:44 pm
mrblackbat wrote: ↑Tue Jun 06, 2017 1:54 pm
mcteeth wrote: ↑Tue Jun 06, 2017 1:49 pm
May's reluctance to comment on Trump directly just demonstrates everything you need to know about where her priorities lie.
It's disgusting really.
I'm actually at a complete loss as to how anyone can vote Tory on Thursday.
Because they're the party that won't bankrupt us completely out of the two that matter?
You can draw parallels with May refusing to criticise Trump and Corbyn refusing to admit his support of the IRA was wrong, and with him calling Hezbollah and Hamas "friends". You can also look at his lax stance on terrorism as a whole, his refusal to say it's right have the police shoot dead terrorists who are actively killing people and so on.
I can't understand how anyone can vote Labour on Thursday. Or the SNP. Or UKIP.
You can't really draw parallels there... I mean, you could if you were just desperate to shoehorn an anti-labour agenda in where it doesn't belong...
The attacks that are coming from the conservatives on the above are pretty horrible misrepresentations of his words and actions.
Moreover we're talking about the difference between something someone has said a long time ago, and something that someone else is doing right now.
You can totally draw parallels there. And it was certainly very recently that Corbyn talked about not shooting to kill, and when he voted against counter terrorist legislation. And even more recently that he, and his hilarious comedy sidekick Diane Abbott, still refused to say that they were wrong for supporting the IRA. If he said, when asked, "yes I was wrong", then it's a non story, and in my opinion would garner a lot of respect. But he won't, because he doesn't think he was wrong. Which is just as much a problem has holding hands with Donald "Duck" Trump, and refusing to slam the same guy for having a pop at Khan and for pulling out of the Paris Agreement.
